with you?
A: No, we both try to keep our personal lives out of it.
Q: So it’s a purely business relationship?
A: Of course not. We socialize. We have dinner, we gossip—like you and I are doing—he gives me advice, as a banker.
Q: And personal lives don’t come up?
A: Nothing comes up....
Q: I’m sure it doesn’t.
A: Don’t be so sure. Bob’s told me he fancies you. Of course he’s gay.
Q: Then why would you ask me?
A: I wanted to see what you’d say. You’ve been pumping me about Valentino and Cooper and I don’t know whom else. Or is it who ?
Q: I think it’s who. Do you mind that I’m, as you say, pumping you?
A: I don’t mind being pumped, now and then. That’s a metaphor, you understand.
Q: Of course I understand. But I mean, Valentino and those are, or were, public figures. Bob isn’t.
A: And you didn’t give his little secret away. I’m glad. You know a bit about discretion. (Here follows a conversational bridge about Bob’s lesbian wife, initiated by Grant, who knows far more about the relationship than I do....)
Q: You once made a famous quote, “When I’m married, I want to be single, and when I’m single, I want to be married.” First of all, is that a true quote?
A: Yes, I said that.
Q: And so you do feel like that? Now, I mean?
A: Well, it’s natural, isn’t it? I mean, the other man’s grass is always greener.
Q: The quote indicates dissatisfaction.
A: Not at all (annoyed). It’s about restlessness, and that has nothing to do with being dissatisfied. I have every right to be satisfied. Doesn’t prevent me getting bored, though. So many hours in the day....
Q: Do you miss moviemaking?
A: ‘Course I do.
Q: Aren’t you ever tempted to return? They keep asking you to.
A: But I never will.
Q: Is that vanity?
A: Yes. I’m too old to do it.
Q: You have a very virile image....
A: I’m too old for a close-up. I’m not too old to have fun.
Q: I didn’t mean to—
A: (Curiously.) What has Bob told you about me?
Q: Well, that you’re charming, and how...he treasures your dinners together. Jealously, too, for he says it’s always just you two.
A: Did you think we were more than friends?
Q: No.
A: We’re not, you know. Even if I was of a mind, he’s too old (Bob was about 45 at the time).
Q: What age do you like?
A: What age have you got? (Smiles self-consciously.) You’re 30, aren’t you? Well past the age of consent....
Q: Thanks.
A: Do you have a girlfriend? At present?
Q: As they say, no.
A: A boyfriend?
Q: No. (I had, and have, a life partner.)
A: So you and Bob aren’t...?
Q: He’s a friend of a friend.
A: You don’t like him very much, do you? I’ll bet you only used him to get to me. (Smiles indulgently.) Never mind. That’s all right. I can’t blame you.
Q: I do like Bob. He’s...a good banker (both laugh).
A: Are you circumcised?
Q: Yes.
A: Because Bob says you’re Jewish on your father’s behalf.
Q: Hmmm? Yes. Well, I am.
A: Are you well-hung?
Q: Mr. Grant....
A: Now, don’t tell me you’re embarrassed?
Q: I guess I am. How come you want to know?
A: We’re all curious, aren’t we?
Q: Yes, I am. Hung. And curious. And you?
A: Not in Gary Cooper’s league—thank God. Can you imagine how impractical that would be? Especially if you liked oral sex!
Q: And who doesn’t?
A: Ramon Novarro. You know, it’s a funny thing about Mexican queers. The ones I’ve heard about like only one thing—getting it up the kazoo. Oral sex is taboo for them. Can’t think why. Can you?
Q: Maybe it’s kind of a hygiene hang-up. I don’t know.
A: I can’t imagine a man only liking to get screwed. (Mock-shudders.) Can you?
Q: No. But it does take all kinds.
A: Well, not during
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