first two categories, that is, with the ethical and with the metaphysical aspects of religion.
There was a big struggle when it was discovered that the earth rotates on its axis and goesaround the sun. It was not supposed to be the case according to the religion of the time. There was a terrible argument and the outcome was, in that case, that religion retreated from the position that the earth stood at the center of the universe. But at the end of the retreat there was no change in the moral viewpoint of the religion. There was another tremendous argument when it was found likely that man descended from the animals. Most religions have retreated once again from the metaphysical position that it wasnât true. The result is no particular change in the moral view. You see that the earth moves around the sun, yes, then does that tell us whether it is or is not good to turn the other cheek? It is this conflict associated with these metaphysical aspects that is doubly difficult because the facts conflict. Not only the facts, but the spirits conflict. Not only are there difficulties about whether the sun does or doesnât rotate around the earth, but the spirit or attitude toward the facts is also different in religion from what it is in science. The uncertainty that is necessary in order to appreciate nature is not easily correlated with the feeling of certainty in faith, which is usually associated with deep religious belief. I do not believe that the scientist can have that same certainty of faith that very deeply religious people have. Perhaps they can. I donât know. I think that it is difficult. But anyhow it seems that the metaphysical aspects of religion have nothing to do with the ethical values, that the moral values seem somehow to be outside of the scientific realm. All these conflicts donât seem to affect the ethical value.
I just said that ethical values lie outside the scientific realm. I have to defend that, because many people think the other way. They think that scientifically we should get some conclusions about moral values.
I have several reasons for that. You see, if you donât have a good reason, you have to have several reasons, so I have four reasons to think that moral values lie outside the scientific realm. First, in the past there were conflicts. The metaphysical positions have changed, and therehave been practically no effects on the ethical views. So there must be a hint that there is an independence.
Second, I already pointed out that, I think at least, there are good men who practice Christian ethics and donât believe in the divinity of Christ. Incidentally, I forgot to say earlier that I take a provincial view of religion. I know that there are many people here who have religions that are not Western religions. But in a subject as broad as this it is better to take a special example, and you have to just translate to see how it looks if you are an Arab or a Buddhist, or whatever.
The third thing is that, as far as I know in the gathering of scientific evidence, there doesnât seem to be anywhere, anything that says whether the Golden Rule is a good one or not. I donât have any evidence of it on the basis of scientific study.
And finally I would like to make a little philosophical argumentâthis Iâm not very good at, but I would like to make a little philosophical argument to explain why theoretically I think that science and moral questions are independent. The common human problem, the big question, always is âShould I do this?â It is a question of action. âWhat should I do? Should I do this?â And how can we answer such a question? We can divide it into two parts. We can say, âIf I do this what will happen?â That doesnât tell me whether I should do this. We still have another part, which is âWell, do I want that to happen?â In other words, the first questionââIf I do this what will