had to offer. In fact, it was what he liked best about the band: our faith. He didnât understand some of the work of the nineties, because he felt it was irreligious.
Some of your fans had a hard time with the records you made in the nineties as well.
Thatâs right. They didnât see it. On Pop, I thought it was a tough relationship with God that was described there: Looking for to save my, save my soul/Looking in the places where no flowers grow/Looking for to fill that God-shaped hole. Thatâs quite an interesting lyric, because thatâs the real bluesâthat comes from Robert Johnson, it happens through the machine age, through this techno din, but there it is: the same yearning. But he didnât see it. A lot of people didnât see it, because they wanted to feel it, not think it. Thatâs the difference. That was a thing that he seemed to think was important. My father used to say to me: âHave you lost your way?â I said: âWhoâs asking? What about you? You didnât have a way to lose!â We used to go down to the pub on Sundays and we would drink together. We drank whiskey, Irish whiskey, of course. Occasionally, he would ask a real question, meaning I had to give him a real answer. It was always about my belief in God: âThereâs one thing I envy of you. I donât envy anything else,â he said to me one time. But think about it: I was singing, doing all the things he would have loved to have done, had a creative life. He said: âYou do seem to have a relationship with God.â And I said: âDidnât you ever have one?â He said: âNo.â And I said: âBut you have been a Catholic for most of your life.âââYeah, lots of people are Catholic. It was a one-way conversation . . . You seem to hear something back from the silence!â I said: âThatâs true, I do.â And he said: âHow do you feel it?â I said: âI hear it in some sort of instinctive way, I feel a response to a prayer, or I feel led in a direction.Or if Iâm studying the Scriptures, they become alive in an odd way, and they make sense to the moment Iâm in, theyâre no longer a historical document.â He was mind-blown by this.
So . . . did he find you pious?
I wish I could live the life of someone you could describe as pious. I couldnât preach because I couldnât practice. Itâs plain to see Iâm not a good advertisement for God. Artists are selfish people.
2. NEVER TRUST A PERFORMER
Itâs hard to say that we saw the sun setting on that day, for the light had remained unchanged since my arrival. The mood had become so peaceful we might as well have started working on a jigsaw puzzle by the fireplace. If there is an overused word in music writing and writing about art in general, it is âinspiration.â Since U2âs music has spiritual overtones, itâs often been called âinspiredâ or âinspirational.â Itâs a myth Iâve often bought into myself, and I wondered what Bono makes of it after all these years. Was he still buying into it himself or was he ready to debunk that notion? Regardless, he was eager to puncture the myth of celebrity.
I never believed in channeling spirits, but I have always had this very naive idea that some musicians are actually able to hear voices.
Yeah, but you want to be careful who youâre listening to. Thatâs all Iâd say. [laughs] But, you know, youâre right, the world demands to be described,and so, painters, poets, journalists, pornographers, and sitcom writers, by accident or by design, are just following orders, whether from high or low, to describe the world theyâre in.
So youâre suggesting that the ideas that come to you are often cheap ideas, not even thought out?
Thatâs right. In fact, often, the music thatâs the most eloquent is the least serious.